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Sharon Thesen's avatar

Wow, Rob, this is an amazing paper. It should be given top billing at a conference where these issues are discussed in a sane and useful manner—instead of buzzwords, knee-jerkism, and ideology. But no, Canada’s Child King will go ahead with his zero-emissions policy, impoverish the citizens, and only make things worse.

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Roger, I think you’re missing something here. When you say “One can predict with basic certainty that if you clearcut a forest it will immediately got hotter and drier in that place, and that will effect the local and therefore regional, and ultimately global climate. One can also predict that if the forest is converted to industrial monocrop the soils will degrade and desiccate and the plantation, lacking biological complexity and hydrologic function, will become susceptible to disease and fire. One can further predict that after such a fire, the unprotected ground will be susceptible to erosive rains, losing vital soil, such that come summer it will be even more susceptible to drought, while at the same contributing to it.”

I imagined a specific place.. it depends on how large the area is. Would a 30 acre clear cut affect “global” climate? probably not. And my observations of “mono cropped” loblolly pine plantations is that they are not more susceptible to disease.. and where the economics pencils out (in the US) for plantation forestry (industrial and small landowners) tend to be relatively moist places (think PNW and SE) with moderate climates where fire is not as much a problem.

My basic point is that climate folks tend to make generic worldwide statements but the biota is ultimately pretty specific in times and places. Ultimately it’s a bit of an epistemic problem. There is an idea (which I trace to math envy) that we can understand wholes without understanding parts; we can understand “forests” by averaging over the planet, or assuming the facts of one place to apply everywhere. Otherwise the science communities who actually work with specific places and organisms and people would have to be included, including those in the less-favored parts of the world.. the center of the US; the Global South. As long as we leave scientists and practitioners out.. as long as we have the Global Gaze, we are going to be missing out on reality. IMHO.

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