Dear Rob. I had an opportunity to hear and listen to you a while ago, I'm not remembering where. Since then, I have developed a strong energetic sense of you as a person who is, in relation to the climate crisis, steadfast, intelligent, passionate and generous. Knowing that you are close by and continuing to stay deeply engaged with the climate in some very creative and courageous ways has helped me a lot. Here in Victoria, I live on the shores of the Sailish Sea, like you do. Where I grieve deeply for what is happening to our orcas and our oceans. (And our rivers, streams, dams, trees, and on and on and on) And continue to explore, with myself and others, how this grief can become something active, engaged and effective, in relation to this eco-system that I love. And that loves me --this is truly the place of the deepest reverence and tenderness.
Hello My friend, Glad to hear that mainstream somewhat is beginning to realize that co2 alone without recognizing the nuanced effects of altering global natural patterns, changing, interrupting, and or destroying these significant patterns, in highly sensitive global feedback regions has been the most significant and consequential element in leading to severe climate change events.
As you know The Northern dams for many decades remain holding back significant river flows of many rivers and their tributaries from Siberia to Northeastern Canada. The flows are released out of SYNC with natures' natural rhythm. Rivers are forced to flow IN THE DEAD OF WINTER and after being trapped and warmed ,sitting stagnant, all spring and summer. This is a pattern that our oceans cannot adjust to without major deep current changes. Those currents that can slow the AMOC
I also found the conversation with Brett KenCairn one of the best interview Nate Hagens has done. There were many dots connected going back to the early 80s when I read about the Amazon rainforest feeding its own rain in a study by a group of Canadian Scientists that Munn and Millan may have influenced. At the same time I ran into an Ethiopian agro-forester whose underlying interest came from an Ethiopian proverb "The trees pull the rain." Deforestation, widespread in Kenya and Ethiopia, was tied in his thinking to the conversion of forest to agriculture. He wanted to inspire a reversal of that. In some parts of Kenya this has happened, and the Ethiopian government promotes massive tree planting efforts across the entire population. It is hard to do when there is also continuous violence in the country. Combine Munn, Millan, Makarieva, Simard's work on tree interconnections, and Ingham's on soil biodiversity corresponding to plant biodiversity and you have a much better foundation on ecosystem function including climate. Thanks for the connection to Millan. I had not read of his work before.
Hi Wayne, thanks for your comment. It's interesting that your Ethiopian agro-forester friend used the word "pulled." That's Makarieva's biotic pump concept in a word.
So many suggestions made and dots connected in this conversation between Brett and Nate, on (1) the living systems that comprise earth's climate, especially on the immense topic of land degradation through humans' disturbance of ecosystems (prairies, forests, wetlands, ground water, soils, streams and rivers, etc. ) and (2) how individual humans, neighborhoods, towns, cities, states, and the federal governments that control vast amounts of land could rapidly turn degraded land, through regenerative practices, into land that can modulate climate locally, regionally and ultimately around the planet.
I especially like Brett's invitation for us all to take the steps we can, where we are, to steward the regrowth of plant communities, out of love, on behalf of frogs, dragonflies, aspen trees, bumble bees, and ...
Rob and all--I am so delighted Rob that you heard this and the shout out I did for you and the great work you've done. I'm SO sorry I had a brain freeze during the conversation and didn't remember to call out your name specifically but I know they got your substack into the show notes. You're doing really good and useful work and I am an admirer and bow in deep gratitude.
Thank you, Brett! And no apologies needed regarding regarding brain freezes and such. I, and a lot of other people, are equally delighted that you are sharing this information. I bow back.
It's especially interesting the perspective you bring as a community organizer. Paying people to do this work, and developing a contractor livelihood path, makes so much sense and could do so much good for people as well as the land. All the best luck to you on the path ahead.
Dear Rob. I had an opportunity to hear and listen to you a while ago, I'm not remembering where. Since then, I have developed a strong energetic sense of you as a person who is, in relation to the climate crisis, steadfast, intelligent, passionate and generous. Knowing that you are close by and continuing to stay deeply engaged with the climate in some very creative and courageous ways has helped me a lot. Here in Victoria, I live on the shores of the Sailish Sea, like you do. Where I grieve deeply for what is happening to our orcas and our oceans. (And our rivers, streams, dams, trees, and on and on and on) And continue to explore, with myself and others, how this grief can become something active, engaged and effective, in relation to this eco-system that I love. And that loves me --this is truly the place of the deepest reverence and tenderness.
Thank you, Shayla. Yes on "turning grief into something active, engaged and effective." The other side of grief is praise.
Hello My friend, Glad to hear that mainstream somewhat is beginning to realize that co2 alone without recognizing the nuanced effects of altering global natural patterns, changing, interrupting, and or destroying these significant patterns, in highly sensitive global feedback regions has been the most significant and consequential element in leading to severe climate change events.
As you know The Northern dams for many decades remain holding back significant river flows of many rivers and their tributaries from Siberia to Northeastern Canada. The flows are released out of SYNC with natures' natural rhythm. Rivers are forced to flow IN THE DEAD OF WINTER and after being trapped and warmed ,sitting stagnant, all spring and summer. This is a pattern that our oceans cannot adjust to without major deep current changes. Those currents that can slow the AMOC
Hi Cliff. Yes, it's amazing what we do, expecting no cost to us or the biosphere.
I also found the conversation with Brett KenCairn one of the best interview Nate Hagens has done. There were many dots connected going back to the early 80s when I read about the Amazon rainforest feeding its own rain in a study by a group of Canadian Scientists that Munn and Millan may have influenced. At the same time I ran into an Ethiopian agro-forester whose underlying interest came from an Ethiopian proverb "The trees pull the rain." Deforestation, widespread in Kenya and Ethiopia, was tied in his thinking to the conversion of forest to agriculture. He wanted to inspire a reversal of that. In some parts of Kenya this has happened, and the Ethiopian government promotes massive tree planting efforts across the entire population. It is hard to do when there is also continuous violence in the country. Combine Munn, Millan, Makarieva, Simard's work on tree interconnections, and Ingham's on soil biodiversity corresponding to plant biodiversity and you have a much better foundation on ecosystem function including climate. Thanks for the connection to Millan. I had not read of his work before.
Hi Wayne, thanks for your comment. It's interesting that your Ethiopian agro-forester friend used the word "pulled." That's Makarieva's biotic pump concept in a word.
This is such good news Rob!
So many suggestions made and dots connected in this conversation between Brett and Nate, on (1) the living systems that comprise earth's climate, especially on the immense topic of land degradation through humans' disturbance of ecosystems (prairies, forests, wetlands, ground water, soils, streams and rivers, etc. ) and (2) how individual humans, neighborhoods, towns, cities, states, and the federal governments that control vast amounts of land could rapidly turn degraded land, through regenerative practices, into land that can modulate climate locally, regionally and ultimately around the planet.
I especially like Brett's invitation for us all to take the steps we can, where we are, to steward the regrowth of plant communities, out of love, on behalf of frogs, dragonflies, aspen trees, bumble bees, and ...
Well put, Deanna.
Rob and all--I am so delighted Rob that you heard this and the shout out I did for you and the great work you've done. I'm SO sorry I had a brain freeze during the conversation and didn't remember to call out your name specifically but I know they got your substack into the show notes. You're doing really good and useful work and I am an admirer and bow in deep gratitude.
Brett
Thank you, Brett! And no apologies needed regarding regarding brain freezes and such. I, and a lot of other people, are equally delighted that you are sharing this information. I bow back.
It's especially interesting the perspective you bring as a community organizer. Paying people to do this work, and developing a contractor livelihood path, makes so much sense and could do so much good for people as well as the land. All the best luck to you on the path ahead.